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#Pirelli, @OnStarConnect, @Cadillac Roadside Assistance, @FrankKent & STS-V

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On the way home from Fort Worth to Plano this morning in my 2008 Cadillac STS-V I began to hear a loud “wap-wap-wap” sound.  I looked for a safe spot to exit the highway, then pulled into a parking lot to investigate.

Pirelli Eufori tire tread problem left front tire from the back looking front

Now, I am not a tire expert but I am certain the tire should not have part of the tread hanging off.

The STS-V is a performance sedan and uses Pirelli Eufori extended mobility runflat performance tires, in sizes 255/45-18 on front and 275/40-19 in back.  There is no spare, since the run flats can get you to the next place without going flat, and the wheel/tire sizes are different front to back (so no one size fits all).

I used the OnStar button to discuss with OnStar and to get Roadside Assistance.  Roadside Assistance arranged for a tow truck to come and take the STS-V to the nearest Cadillac Dealer, in this case Frank Kent Cadillac in Fort Worth.

STS-V loaded on flatbed tow truck

The Tow truck arrived in about an hour from the first call to OnStar, which is good service for a Sunday.  Unfortunately, Frank Kent is not open this morning, but the advantage of having the Cadillac taken to a Cadillac dealer is that they have a secure lockup for delivery after hours.

So, my son came and picked me up from the stopped spot.  If I were further afield I would have had to take a taxi to a rental car place and get a rental car setup for the duration.  I believe the Cadillac coverage would cover the rental car fee.

Tread on the front tires didn’t look bad except for the ripped part.

Right Front Tire from the Front looking back

Left Front Tire from the Front looking back

So I am not sure what caused the tire to have this sort of failure.  The tires had 18K miles on them when I purchased the car, and have 19.2xx on them now.  I assume they are the original equipment tires that came with the STS-V.

Next will be to talk to Frank Kent to determine the correct replacements.  The Pirelli’s run $377 each for the fronts, and $488 ea for the rears at discounttire.com

The trade off on run-flats is they have somewhat worse performance, but they don’t leave you stuck beside the road.  This morning I felt stuck beside the road, so I am not sure I want to put run-flats on again for the new tires.  With the V at the Dealer though I’ll have to see what the choices are.

My experience with OnStar was good.   They were helpful, polite, and got me connected to who I needed to talk to.

Cadillac Roadside assistance was helpful and got the car to the right place to be serviced. We discussed various options — such as which Cadillac dealer to tow to, or whether to tow to a tire store instead.

The Towing company sent the right kind of truck for the V, and the Driver took appropriate care to get the V up on the truck without scraping the front spoiler.

OnStar, Cadillac Roadside service, and the Towing Company all communicated clearly back to me.

I wish roadside assistance worked where a van pulled up with a new rare tire, and ready to mount it on the wheel.  Unfortunately, that’s not happening.  But I am glad that I was able to get the car lined up for repair and I got back home safely.

Gonna pump YOU up – Intercooler Pumps in Series to Maximize Cooling #Motorama

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Update:

Although the info shown is relevant for 4 Laminova cores in series, the Cadillac design does not have 4 in series but rather has A-B in parallel and C-D in parallel flow.  I caused some confusion in the way I asked my question of Laminova as it turns out.  I am leaving this for consideration, but the pressure head through 2 Laminova cores instead of through 4 cores would be different.

In my analysis of pump flow rates versus the intercooler pressure head it became clear that at higher flow rates the stock pump has restricted flow.  In fact, instead of flowing 8 gallons per minute (gpm) it is probably flowing under 4 gpm.  We could find a new source for a intercooler coolant pump that can flow 9 gpm against a 1.4 bar resistance; that would be ideal.  However, there is a way to work with the parts we have to overcome this hurdle.

Note that I don’t have a sophisticated model of the overall flow resistance, but that my conjecture is that the flow across the heat exchanger is around a 1 psi resistance, and that system resistance for the hoses etc is 0.4 psi.  In my modeling a second front mounted heat exchanger is shown as another 1 psi of resistance.

The stock intercooler coolant pump is a centrifugal pump.  When two or more centrifugal pumps are placed in series, the resulting pump performance is obtained by adding their heads at a constant flow rate.  [Ref: Engineering Toolbox]

For our previous graphing this basically means if you put two pumps in series you ‘stack’ the two pumps’ flow versus pressure diagram on top of each other.

Using this insight, one way to overcome the pressure head presented by our intercooler system with the parts we know is to put 2 of the stock Bosch pumps in series in the flow.  If that works well, how would 2 of the Jabsco Cyclone 50840-12 pumps work?  Hmm, what if we put THREE Bosch pumps in series?  What about the Cyclones?

Good questions.  I wondered this also, so I continued with our previous graphs & calcs to do the analysis:

Multiple Intercooler Pumps in Series vs Intercooler Flow

Lots of complication, but let’s look at it.  First, the light green line bottom left is the stock intercooler pump flow.  Bottom left orange line is one cyclone pump.

See the light blue line that flows down from 1 bar and matches and doubles the green line flow line from one pump?  That is the line for 2 stock intercooler pumps in series.  The darker green line that runs down from 1.2 bar is for two Cyclone pumps in series.

What about 3 pumps?  The purple line running down from 1.5 bar is 3 stock pumps in series.  The yellow-green line running down from 1.8 bar is for 3 cyclone pumps in series.

What does all this mean?  Here’s some tabular data:

Liters/Min Gallons/Min Heat Xfer
Pump Core Only System Core only System KW Delta
Bosch 16 13 4.2 3.4 16.5
Cyclone 20 18 5.2 4.7 18.0 9.1%
Bosch x2S 21 20 5.5 5.2 19.0 15.2%
Cyclone x2S 29 27 7.6 7.1 20.5 24.2%
Bosch x3S 24.5 23 6.4 6.0 20.0 21.2%
Cyclone x3S 35 34 9.2 8.9 21.5 30.3%

This tells us that the flow rate through the system with 1 stock pump of 3.4 gpm goes up to 5.2 gpm if you add another pump, or 6.0 gpm with 3.

The system flow rate of a Cyclone goes from 4.7 gpm alone to 7.1 gpm with 2 or 8.9 gpm with 3.

Is more flow always better?  Well, yes, up to a point.  On the flow diagram I have summarized the heat transfer for each combination with the circles with letters in them.  1B= one Bosch, 1C= one Cyclone, 2B= two Bosch, 2C=two Cyclone, 3B=3 Bosch, 3C= 3 Cyclone pumps in series on the line at the top of the flow diagram.  That line they are all on is the heat transfer graph for the Laminova cores; it uses the right axis for its values, which are in kilowatts of heat transfer.  In the table I have read off the approximate values from the graph.

What we see is that 2 Bosch (2B) pumps give us a 15% improvement in heat transfer, and 2 Cyclone pumps (2C) give a 24% improvement.  Going to 3 pumps does improve it further but to a reduced degree.  Adding 1 Bosch pump to the stock pump adds 15%; adding a 3rd only adds 6% more.  Replacing the stock pump with 2 Cyclone pumps adds 24%; adding a 3rd Cyclone pump only adds 6% more.

Conclusion

My conclusion is that an optimal mix of expense versus reliability and complexity is to add a 2nd Bosch or replace the stock pump with 2 Cyclone pumps in series.  That should give us the best bang for the buck improvement in flow and heat transfer relative to expense.

Issue

What is the safe pressure for the intercooler cooling system on the STS-V?   What PSI is the relief/overflow cap set for?  If it is set  for 5 psi (0.3 bar) can the system function above that?  Response:  Because of the pressure drop across the Laminova cores at high flow rates there is a high pressure side of the system from the pump to the cores, and a low pressure side from the Laminova cores through the heat exchanger and the refill/pressure relief back to the pump.  The 5 psi relief won’t trigger unless the pressure in the system at THAT point is above 5 psi.

Plans

I like the additional front mounted intercooler idea. It seems a good way to add system coolant capacity and some additional cooling.  Additional coolant capacity acts as a delaying function for changes in coolant temperature.  Each of the Jabsco Cyclone pumps runs around $210; so 2 for $420.  The front-mounted heat exchanger (FMHE) for under the bumper I have in mind  is $179. It would take 5 hours of labor or so to remove and replace the front clip to install ($400).  So for a total budget of $1,200 or so the overall intercooler cooling system could be 24% more effective.  If you do the work yourself parts alone would be $600.

 

How COOL is THIS: Intercooler Pressure versus Pump Output and Flow @Motorama

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Update:

Although the info shown is relevant for 4 Laminova cores in series, the Cadillac design does not have 4 in series but rather has A-B in parallel and C-D in parallel flow.  I caused some confusion in the way I asked my question of Laminova as it turns out.  I am leaving this for consideration, but the pressure head through 2 Laminova cores instead of through 4 cores would be different.

 

Intercooler coolant pumps are at heart 12v water pumps.  Extra points if they are light and quiet, and very long lasting.  They are rated in gallons per minute, or liters per minute, or liters per hour.  However, with pumps one also has to know at what pressure.  If an 8 gpm pump is pumping against NO resistance then it can pump 8 gpm of fluid.  However, if it is pumping against some resistance, like the four cores of a STS-V intercooler, it has a harder job and the flow rate will drop.

Laminova was kind enough to send me this graphic showing pressure versus flow through four Laminova cores sized for the Cadillac STS-V application in serial:

Below is a graph with heat transfer vs. flow rate for a 4 x 39.5 mm cores in 392 mm length, coolant in series over the cores. (calculated with 350g/s 110ºC for the charge air, 30ºC coolant with flow from 10 to 35 l/min). As you can see performance continues to increase with increased flow, but at 35 l/min you have almost 1,4 bar pressure drop, then add the radiator etc. So be careful when choosing pump, normally there are graphs for flow vs. backpressure for the pumps available.

Laminova Cores bar of pressure vs lpm of flow

Let’s examine this graphic.  First, a bar of pressure is a bit less than the English atmosphere (A), so 1 atm (atmosphere) = 1.01325 bar.  Let’s stay in bar for now, as it is frequently used for discussion of our topic.  But when you read bar you can think 14.5 psi if you prefer.  A liter per minute is 0.2642 gallons per minute (gpm).

What the graphic shows is that as the coolant flow increases from 10 lpm (2.6 gpm) to 35 lpm (9 gpm) the pressure required to push the water through the 4 STS-V Laminova intercooler cores increases from 0.15 bar (2.1 psi) to 1.4 bar (20 psi).  It takes a LOT of pressure to reach a 9 gpm flow rate.  The good news is the heat transfer for the system of cores continues to improve right up to 9 gpm, flattening out after that rate of flow.

If we could increase the flow rate from 16 lpm (4 gpm) up to 35 lpm (9.2 gpm), the heat transfer will increase from around 16 kw up to around 22 kw, or 38% more intercooling at max rate.

It is inviting to think then, that the STS-V 8 gpm intercooler pump is about right on the money; unfortunately, that pressure it has to pump against lowers its output quite a bit.  Let’s see how much.

The Cadillac STS-V uses a Bosch sourced 8 gpm (gallon per minute) pump.  Here is a diagram of the Bosch pump output:

Bosch Intercooler Pump Flow vs Pressure

This diagram introduces new units again, but we’ll get through it.  Along the x axis we have Volume of flow in liters per hour.  Along the y axis we have delta pressure in hPa, which is hectopascals of pressure.  1000 hectopascals  = 1 bar.

So this Bosch pump will flow 0 liters per hour at 0.5 bar, and up to 1800 liters per hour (30 lpm, 7.9 gpm) at no pressure.  Good, as it is rated for 8 gpm.

Now, how do we determine how much a Bosch pump in our STS-V would flow against the pressure through the intercooler, hoses, and heat exchanger?  We graph them together based on flow rates versus pressure and see where their graphs cross.   That will be the point where the flow rate of the pump against the resistance in the system is equivalent.

I have included the Jabsco 50840-12 Cyclone aftermarket intercooler pump for comparison as well, reading off their flow graphic.  This is a popular replacement intercooler pump for the STS-V.

Laminova System Cyclone Bosch Pump
FLOW L/Min Pressure bar Flow L/Min Pressure Bar Flow L/Min Pressure bar
10 0.20 0.3 0 0.6 0 0.5
15 0.35 0.45 40 0.42 8.33 0.45
20 0.50 0.6 80 0.2 16.67 0.38
25 0.70 0.8 120 0 25 0.2
30 1.05 1.15
35 1.30 1.4

This data table shows the resistance through the Laminova cores alone, then an equivalent resistance value for the whole intercooler cooling system.  I don’t know a good value for this so I used 0.1 bar or 1.4  psi of pressure to represent the intercooler heat exchanger (1 psi), hoses (0.4 psi), etc.  We can change it to another more accurate value later, and can model 2 heat exchangers, etc.

The data is really easy to relate to if we put each set on an XY graph, so let’s do that!

Calculated Flow Rates:

Cadillac STS-V Intercooler Flow Rate vs Pump Output & Pressure - Bar versus Liters per Minute

So reading from the graph, I find this tabular result:

Liters/Min Gallons/Min
Pump Core Only System Core only System
Bosch 16 13 4.19 3.41
Cyclone 20 18 5.24 4.72

In other words,  the 8 gpm Bosch pump will pump 4 gpm if it were only pumping through the 4 Laminova cores in serial (theoretical value), or 3.4 gpm through the whole system.

The higher flow Cyclone pump will or 4.7 gpm through the whole system, or 38% better than the stock pump.

A second FMHE (front mounted heat exchanger) might cost 1 psi and thus 2 lpm or 0.5 gpm of flow.  Also notable is that the Cyclone pump with a 2nd FMHE still probably flows more than the stock pump and single FMHE.  Heat transfer probably increases by 0.5 kw, or 38% of the increased flow rate of 1.3 gpm.

Ideas for further study:

Design an experiment to test actual flow rate through the system.  Ideal to me would be to add a flow rate indicator (gauge).

Source a replacement intercooler coolant pump that can pump 9 gpm against a 1.5 bar head pressure in order to optimize intercooler cooling.  This is likely to need to be a positive displacement pump rather than a centrifugal pump.

See an error?   Applause for the effort?  Chime in via the comments section!!