Comparison: Cadillac CTS-V and Porsche Panamera S

Porsche has recently fielded their first 4-door sedan, the Panamera.  The new Porsche Panamera is sort of a low-flying variant of the Porsche SUV, the Cayenne.  It uses similar nomenclature, and powertrains as the SUV.  The Panamera has widely been panned for its visual appeal (or lack thereof), but I am a function over form person.  I am also a Porsche fan from way back, so let’s see how the new German compares with Cadillac’s CTS-V Supercar Sedan.

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Cadillac CTS-V's at Montecello Motor Club

The Porsche Panamera comes in S, 4S, and Turbo Variants.  The Panamera S, which starts at $90.7K, is the Panamera model that is likely to be cross-shopped with the $60.7K Cadillac CTS-V.

Porsche Panamera S

Porsche Panamera S

Here are the stats according to Motor Trend for the Porsche Panamera S:

2010 Porsche Panamera S
Base price range $90,775
Price as tested $104,805
Vehicle layout Front-engine, RWD, 4-pass, 4-door hatchback
Engine 4.8L/400-hp/369-lb-ft DOHC 32-valve V-8
Transmission 7-speed twin-clutch auto
Curb weight (dist f/r) 4108 lb (53/49)
Wheelbase 115.0 in
Length x width x height 195.6 x 76.0 x 55.8 in
0-60 mph 5.1 sec
Quarter mile 13.5 sec @ 105.8 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 108 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.95 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.7 sec @ 0.72 g (avg)
EPA city/hwy fuel econ 16/24 mpg
MT observed fuel econ 16.8 mpg
CO2 emissions 1.03 lb/mile
It would be ideal to compare these cars head to head.  Lacking that, here’s some similar Motor Trend test data for the Cadillac CTS-V:

Motor Trend Data: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

2009 Cadillac CTS-V
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout Front engine, RWD
Engine type Supercharged 90-deg V-8, alum block and heads
Valvetrain OHV, 2 valves/cyl
Displacement 376.1 cu in/6162 cc
Compression ratio 9.0:1
Power (SAE NET) 556 hp @ 6100 rpm*
Torque (SAE NET) 551 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm*
Redline 6200 rpm
Weight to power 7.7 lb/hp
Transmission 6-speed automatic
Axle/final-drive ratios 3.23:1/2.16:1
Suspension, front; rear Control arms, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar
Steering ratio 16.1:1
Turns lock-to-lock 2.6
Brakes, f;r 14.6-in vented disc; 14.4-in vented disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r 9.0 x 19-in; 9.5 x 19-in, forged aluminum
Tires, f;r 255/40R19 96Y; 285/35R19 99Y Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 113.4 in
Track, f/r 61.8/62.0 in
Length x width x height 191.6 x 72.5 x 58.0 in
Turning circle 37.9 ft
Curb weight 4277 lb
Weight dist., f/r 54/46%
Seating capacity 5
Headroom, f/r 38.8/37.2 in
Legroom, f/r 42.4/35.9 in
Shoulder room, f/r 56.7/57.4 in
Cargo volume 13.6 cu ft
TEST DATA
Acceleration to mph
0-30 1.8 sec
0-40 2.6
0-50 3.3
0-60 4.3
0-70 5.5
0-80 6.8
0-90 8.1
0-100 9.7
Passing, 45-65 mph 2
Quarter mile 12.6 @ 114.6 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 106 ft
MT figure eight 25.1 sec @ 0.75 g (avg)
Lateral acceleration 0.94 g
Top-gear revs @ 60 mph 1800 rpm
CONSUMER INFO
Base price $60,700
Price as tested $66,835
Stability/traction control Yes/yes
Airbags Dual front, front side, front/rear curtain
Basic warranty 4 yrs/50,000 miles
Powertrain warranty 5 yrs/100,000 miles
Roadside assistance 5 yrs/100,000 miles
Fuel capacity 18.0 gal
EPA city/hwy econ 14/19 mpg
CO2 emissions 1.22 lb/mi
Recommended fuel Unleaded premium

Read more: Motor Trend Test

Conclusions?

  • The more expensive, Porsche Panamera Turbo, at 500 hp, comes closer to CTS-V performance than the Panamera S  model, but is unlikely to be directly shopped with a CTS-V since it costs roughly twice as much as the Cadillac.
  • The CTS-V has more power, at 556 hp/551 lb-ft vs 400-hp/369 lb-ft for the Porsche Panamera S, but weighs slighly more at 4,300 lbs vs 4,137 lbs.
  • The CTS-V acceleration numbers are notably stronger, with an advantage of 0.8 sec 0-60, at 4.3 sec for the Cadillac vs 5.1 sec for the Porsche.  At the quartermile the difference is still 0.9 sec, placing these two cars in different classes for acceleration.  Cadillac CTS-V: 12.6 @ 114.6 mph Porsche Panamera S: 13.5 sec @ 105.8 mph
  • Cornering:  The Porsche has the advantage here, pulling 0.94 g’s on the skidpad vs 0.93 g’s for the Cadillac.  However, the CTS-V powers ahead in the Figure-8: 25.1 sec @ 0.75 g (avg) for the Cadillac vs 25.7 sec @ 0.72 g (avg) for the Porsche.
  • The Porsche has the advantage in fuel economy, at 16/24 mpg city/highway vs a thirsty 14/19 mpg city/highway for the Cadillac.
  • The CTS-V is almost $30K less expensive than the Porsche, with the Cadillac CTS-V at $60.7K, and the Porsche Panamera S at $90.7K (starting prices).

Caddyinfo Cadillac Keychains

Jeff Foster of Wholesalekeychain.com ( keychains ) sent me over two sample Cadillac-related keychains to use as site give-aways.  They are each metal, with a tab and ring, and have an attractive Cadillac logo on one face and are engraved ‘Caddyinfo.com’ on the opposite face.

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The left keychain is a Cadillac TearDrop Keychain and has a more complex, articulated axis that allows more degrees of freedom for movement of the keychain tab.  This design gives a greater impression of sophistication.  The right sample is a Cadillac Black Teardrop Keychain, and  has a simple loop through which the key chain ring passes. The summary shopping page for all of their Cadillac keychains is Cadillac keychains.  Of these two the Cadillac Teardrop keychain is my favorite.

Here is the reverse side of one of the keychains, which say “Caddyinfo.com”:

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Each keychain has a good weight to it.  I am very happy with the quality of the product, and feel these will make nice prizes:  I plan to use the keychains as give-aways for an upcoming Caddyinfo.com forum contest.

wholesalekeychain.com is having a contest as well.  If you purchase a key chain from them and specify promo code: caddyinfo you get a 10% discount on your order, and  the website who refers the most purchasers will receive a prize.

I would like to say thanks to wholesalekeychain.com for sponsoring the prizes for our next forum contest!

How BMW Can Improve the M3 to compete with the Cadillac CTS-V

The Cadillac CTS-V is the premiere “Track Car” for the V-series, having supplanted the STS-V. The M3 is the premiere track car for the BMW M Series. The CTS-V is actually the same size and has luxury fittings similar or exceeding the BMW M5. Cadillac is preparing a new, smaller-than a CTS vehicle called (perhaps) the ATS, which will directly compete with the BMW 3-Series. Nonetheless, for now track car to track car seems a reasonable comparison. So, how can BMW upgrade the next M3 to be able to compete with the current Cadillac CTS-V?

First, the BMW is down by 142hp, but also weighs in at 3,726 lbs, around 500 lbs lighter than the ~4,200 lb CTS-V. Generally speaking, 100 lbs is offset by 5 hp in acceleration times. So that leaves the BMW down by an equivalent 117 hp. The upgraded engine for the next generation M3, now being rushed to market, should put the M3 over 500 hp to catch up, which should make it competitive in performance times.

Confusingly, although the BMW M3 starts at $45K, equivalently equipped to the standard of the Cadillac CTS-V it is slightly more expensive, at $63K.

Vehicle
Advantage

Cadillac

Cadillac

CTS-V

BMW M3
Equipped Price Advantage Cadillac $62,845 $63,520
Horsepower @ RPM Advantage Cadillac 556@6100 414@8300
Torque @ rpm Advantage Cadillac 551@3800 295@3900
Final Drive Ratio Advantage Cadillac 3.73 3.85
Fuel Capacity Advantage Cadillac 18.0 16.6
Adaptive Variable Suspension Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Powertrain Warranty Time (Months) Advantage Cadillac 60 48
Powertrain Warranty Miles Advantage Cadillac 100000 50000
Wheelbase (in.) Advantage Cadillac 113.4 108.7
Length (in.) Advantage Cadillac 191.6 180.4
Width (in.) Advantage Cadillac 72.5 71.5
Head Room (front) (in.) Advantage Cadillac 38.8 38.5
Universal Garage Door Opener Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Front Heated Seats Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Satellite Radio Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Surround Sound Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
DVD Player Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Navigation System Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Fog Lights Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Automatic Crash Response Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Emergency Services Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Crisis Assist Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Stolen Vehicle Assistance Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Remote Door Unlock Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Roadside Assistance Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Remote Horn and Lights Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Turn-by-Turn Navigation Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Hands-Free Calling Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available
Vehicle Diagnostics Advantage Cadillac Standard Option Added
Low Mileage Discount Advantage Cadillac Standard Not Available

So, the next BMW M3 will have to have improved performance, and cost slightly less than the current model to compete with the current CTS-V. And even at that, BMW will have to hope that Cadillac doesn’t further tune the CTS-V, so the M3 can have a chance to catch up.