Traction off, Torque Management Continues

Scan D5B

Today’s scan was with traction control disabled, to determine if the Torque Management Advance (retard) (TMAR) was originating from TCS. I observe that we still have TMAR with us, so I conclude it is not, and further study will be required.

Comparing today’s D5SB with prior D5SA, today’s peak was 468.9 whp vs prior peak 476.8 whp, or 8 less. Prior was a warmer day with somewhat higher humidity and earned a larger dyno correction of 2.4% vs 1% today. I am looking for repeatability here, and under 2% may be par for this type of testing.

I have added relative humidity to my scan table, so that the resulting scans can be self-correcting for conditions via dyno correction factor. The car tracks barometric pressure, relative humidity, and ambient temperature. With those figures an SAE 1349 dyno correction can be applied, and is figured in prior to graphing. I am also using a 400/464 ratio here for crank to wheels; I find this matches precisely with stock results.

Stock vs GM Dyno

This graph takes the GM LF4 engine dyno, converts it to wheel torque/hp, and compares it (dotted lines) to a scan from a stock ATS-V also converted to wheel hp (solid lines). They appear to overlay nicely.

HPTuners to Hp/Torque Analysis — defactored, with dyno correction, tranny losses

This is an analysis of a on-road hptuners scan. It is easy enough to export from hptuners to a csv file. This lends itself to graphing in excel or similar tools. However, the key info we want to graph, HP and Torque, are sometimes factored upward in tuning. By analysis, if we can discern what the factor is relative to a stock tune, we can de-factor these values prior to graphing.

This chart shows such an approach. Export from hptuners. Add a column next to Torque, and then modify that column to de-factor the values, and also to correct for SAE conditions.
For defactoring, consider the stock values and the tune values for airmass coefficient(s), and resolve a factor by RPM. IN this case there was a fairly consistent factor across the range, so I choose a value slightly higher than the max factor in the range to cover the entire range. I am considering modifying the tune to make the factor consistent, but it is precisely correct as is.

For the dyno conditions correction I used an online calculator, with baro and temp from the tune; I need to sort out the formulas so I can simply do the math in the excel.
Also I added a correction for wheel versus crank; the ATS-V stock averages 425 whp for a 464 crank hp rating, which is 91% or 9% transmission losses. This could be used, although I instead chose to use 400 whp / 464 hp or .86 or 14% tranny losses which is more conservative (produces lower numbers) because we are going in this case from crank to WHP.
Add another new column for WHP, calculating it from the torque and rpm. Then chart as an XY/Scatter diagram, for defactored and corrected wheel torque, WHP vs rpm.

The blue line is WHP, the read line is WTorque. I added the boost pressure in gray, choosing boost/vacuum in this case.

The large event 5000-5300 rpm does not repeat in every WOT run; I wonder if it is a physical event on the course, such as a large bump or dip. This needs more study. Update: This appears to be a traction management advance event pulling timing. More study needed to lock it out.

There are three gold lines. The solid line shows the VVT intake cam angle. The dashed gold shows the intake cam angle commanded. The dotted gold line shows what I suspect is an optimal tune. I arrived at these values based on the stock tune’s estimates of hp generated at various airmass, RPM, and intake cam angles. This needs more study.

Virtual Dyno & the ATS-V

I have been working with Tapout Tuning to get my boost up and keep my throttle closed. I ran a session from hptuners scanner to Virtual Dyno to see how things are going.

Virtual Dyno uses the car specifics, such as weight and gearing, and the change in RPM over time to calculate wheel torque and wheel horsepower (whp). Due to the way that the scan was captured, I have limited the rpm range to when the TCC was locked. I applied SAE correction in virtual dyno.

So basically I only needed to focus on the right area in the scanner, export visual, with interpolation, and save off the file. I name the file based on the rpm range of interest as well.

Boost was in the high 17s, again effected by the dynamics of the scan. In this case, I went WOT in third and ran to the top of third, which doesn’t leave as much time for boost to build. I observe that the current tune is building power all the way to the shift point, so good.

A tune-only ATS-V normally has 470-500 WHP, so it looks like we are right in that range.