Air Ducting to CAI DIY Mod #Motorama

What benefit is there to routing air from the lower bumper to the cold air intake?

Spectre Performance 8746 Blue Air Duct Hose

I have a Spectre Cold Air intake on my 2008 Cadillac STS-V.  Today’s question is, what if we ducted cold air from the bumper to the CAI instead of to brake cooling as designed?

I shopped for this air duct by Spectre on Amazon.  It was available in a few colors, and the price differed by color, so I got the lower price blue one.

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This is a shot of the hose in the package as received.

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The end pieces are rubber; the hose itself is plastic.  It stretches out like an accordion, and holds it shape once adjusted.

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The coupler for the ducting is tucked into the brake cooling duct.  It is a press-tight fit, but I will keep an eye on it and see if it stays in place at speed.  I tested up to 45 mph or so and it was still there.  I would prefer to put a inner locking ring or similar to ensure it stays in place at speed.

The inner diameter of the brake duct on the Cadillac is larger than the outer diameter of the coupler on the ducting.  A 3.5″ diameter duct might be a better fit here.

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This shot is looking down past the filter into the top of the ducting.  This is where the incoming air will blow out of the hose and onto the air filter.

Only had time and temperature for a short test run to make sure the ducting stayed in place.  I will be testing next available good weather day.  Stay tuned.

Do you have other hints or suggestions for this setup?

Update:

Ran a new baseline / test run this morning.  Weather was okay but ambient read 81F, and test area 76F.

2013-05-18 reset 1-2 added ducting

Virtual Dyno with 1st gear and 2nd gear together detected no improvement due to the new air ducting to the CAI.  The previous run Virtual Dyno vs HPTuners Delivered Torque Curve was at 379/345 hp/torque at the wheels.

comparison of virtual dyno runs

This shows a comparison of the two virtual dyno runs in 2nd gear side by side.  Technically 4 hp less for the ducted version.

hptuners more1-2 run 2013-05-18

HPTuners data shows perhaps a lower run-up in IAT2 max of 125F instead of 130F, but incoming air temp at speed would seem to have less impact on this — already cooler at that point.

comparison of maf readings

In an attempt to discern how to measure a difference, this chart shows the raw mass air flow coming into the intake.  This would show if we are presenting the engine with more air, regardless of what the engine is doing with it.  Although we might conclude given different days etc these are equivalent, it is notable that the ducted air is ahead of the unducted intake.

The ducting did stay in place through my test drive.  I plan to continue to test and evolve this setup.  I have a new replacement cone filter on the way also; mine is quite dirty.  I will put the new one on then clean this one and have it in standby.

 

CaddyInfo Cadillac Chat 2013-05-17 #Motorama

Thursday was a unique chat — an unplanned monologue as our normal panel guests were not available.

Forum Link: http://caddyinfo.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=42712&hl=

Planned Topics:

  • Cadillac XTS 410 HP AWD potential
  • Owning and enjoying a used Cadillac
  • Head gasket diagnosis and repair
  • RamAir / air ducting

Even before the chat started a moment of learning, as with the new Google+ layout it was not immediately obvious how to even start a Hangout on air any more.  The way I ended up doing it was going to “hangouts on air” off the main menu then there is a button in the stream that says “start a hangout on air”.

I am used to the luxury of having other people talk while I get some things done behind the scenes; sorry about the silences/gaps.

What would you like to hear in future chats?  To participate in our Thursday evening CaddyInfo Cadillac Chats contact me on Google+.

Virtual Dyno vs HPTuners Delivered Torque Curve

Here is an Virtual Dyno analysis of a 2nd gear run up for my STS-V.  The Virtual Dyno considers the change in speed and estimates the hp & torque, much as a regular dyno.  The difference here is that the V is in 2nd gear and pushing against the wind.

2013-05-11 reset hot test

Virtual Dyno makes beautiful dyno graphs; one can get the full size by clicking on the image above, then hit return to return.

Here is the same info for the same run, graphed using the STS-V’s reported delivered torque and calculated hp for that torque, along with the IAT2 temps:

resetruncomparedeliveredhptorque

The Delivered Torque is an estimated value by the V computer based on engine parameters, and is equivalent to an engine dyno as opposed to a chassis dyno as in  Virtual Dyno.

Both show an item of interest and why I was graphing — the peak torque for the V is not up in the 5K’s but is still around 3500 RPM.  Certainly the torque curve is very flat for the supercharged V8.

Somewhat surprising how much the two disagree on the slope of the HP above 6000 RPM.  The transmission is already thinking about shifting to 3rd at that point, which could effect the incremental results measured by the Virtual Dyno more — the engine output doesn’t care if the engine is ‘clutched’ or not.

Do you have any suggestions on how to get more info out of this data?  I am using HPTuners to capture sensor data from a test drive, then saving as a .csv file, and using Virtual Dyno to analyze the .csv, or Calc to create the lower graphic from the .csv data.