Intercooler Cooling: Corvette ZR-1 LS9, Cadillac CTS-V LSA, & STS-V LC3

The Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 has a supercharged 6.2L OHV V8 engine.  It uses a TVS2300 supercharger with an integrated fin-type intercooler.  I am interested in the other end of the equation for this discussion, the heat exchanger.  Let’s look at how the Corvette design differs from my 2008 STS-V, and the 2009 CTS-V.

From our previous discussion, here is the intercooler cooling system for the 2008 STS-V:

STS-V LC3 Intercooler Flow path & Parts

Coolant flows from the output of the intercooler at the top of the engine through 26 and 27 to the front mounted heat exchanger 29.  After a pass across the heat exchanger, it flows to the intercooler pump 18 and then up via 25 to the intercooler at the top of the engine again.  There is a T along the way between 14 & 17 that allows for an up-pipe leading to a small reservoir and used for filling of the system.

It is not clear to me for the STS-V front-mounted heat exchanger how many ‘passes’ it contains.  Fluid enters at the top right and leaves at the bottom left, and may snake a few times across the fins of the heat exchanger on the way.  The GM p/n is 25770419 for the STS-V heat exchanger.  The heat exchanger on the car is not clearly visible for investigation.

We find a similar system on the 2009 CTS-V LSA engine.  The LSA is a supercharged 6.2L OHV V8 similar to the ZR-1’s LS-9 engine, except that it uses a TVS1900 Supercharger and has different internals.  As we will see, it also uses a different intercooler cooling strategy:

CTS-V LSA Supercharged V8 Intercooler cooling system

Here we see coolant flows from the intercooler at the top of the engine through 2 and 9 into the right or bottom side in our view of 11, then into 23 to reach the front-mounted heat exchanger 19.  After one pass across the heat exchanger, the cooler coolant flows out through 25 to the coolant pump 18, and via 14 back through the other side of 11, and along 7 back to the intercooler at the top of the engine.  Like the STS-V system, a T in the line at 30 just in from 2 allows fluid flow from the small reservoir and filling of the system.

The GM p/n is 25876663 for the CTS-V Coupe heat exchanger.

Mods: when modifying the CTS-V heat exchanger, D3 and Lingenfelter replace the stock one with a larger example.  Wait4me adds a second heat exchanger in front of the stock heat exchanger.

Now let’s look at the Corvette ZR-1’s LS-9 V8 system solution:

ZR-1 Intercooler System flow

Here we see the intercooling coolant flow into the front mounted heat exchanger.  Note that the front mounted heat exchanger is a 2-path heat exchanger.

Hot coolant flows from the intercooler at the top of the engine to the top row of the front mounted heat exchanger, and across the heat exchanger and into a inline reservoir.  From the inline reservoir cooler coolant flows back into the front mounted heat exchanger, then to the intercooler pump.  From the pump the cool coolant heads to the intercooler at the top of the engine.

The front mounted heat exchanger is p/n 20759871.  Yes, these three applications use 3 different front mounted heat exchangers.  Although there may be inherent benefits to the Corvette approach, it is also possible that due to packaging limitations in the Corvette there was simply less room available to use the larger area heat exchangers in the Cadillacs.

The STS-V system holds 2.6 quarts (2.5L) of coolant; the CTS-V holds 3.2 quarts (3.0L) the Corvette system holds 5.2 quarts (4.9L) of coolant.  Additional coolant in the system acts as a time buffer for changes in temperature of the system.  So when the coolant is heating up like wide open throttle from idle, then it takes longer to heat up.  However, when the coolant is cooling down like when high speed is pushing cold fresh air across the heat exchanger, it would take longer to cool down.

The pump in the Corvette is apparently different also; that’s a $1K pump where the one in the STS-V is under half that.

Ideas for Discussion:

Could the Corvette’s 2-pass heat exchanger and reservoir be easily adapted for use in the STS-V? Should it be? Only adding the reservoir might be an option, to boost the STS-V coolant capacity to near the ZR-1’s.

Does the STS-V NEED more intercooler coolant capacity?  I appreciate that it helps for back to back dyno runs, but on an actual drive there is high speed wind over the intercooler heat exchanger to compensate for the higher temps, and being able to quickly cool the intercooler coolant might be an advantage on the street.

Adding a second heat exchanger for the STS-V in front of the current heat exchanger would add fluid capacity and something less than twice the cooling, and be relatively easy to plumb.  However, it would require more experimental design to capture temps going in and out of the current heat exchanger under a variety of conditions, then in and out of the doubled heat exchanger in a variety of conditions.  The net effort might be less than worthwhile for the net benefit.

A tale of two Blown 4.4L V8s – BMW & @Cadillac

The new 2012 BMW M5 uses the twin-scroll, twin-turbo 4.4L V8 from the BMW X5M/X6M SUVs.  In the 2009 BMW trucks this powerplant made 547 hp, in 2010 555 hp, but in the new M5 makes 552 hp.   This all seems to need a bit more sorting.

This engine is the BMW S63, which is a twin-scroll version of the N63 V8.  For the 09 trucks it makes 547 hp at 6000 rpm and 500 lb ft of torque at 1500-5650 rpm.  As in the N63, the turbos are mounted in the V of the engine.  The engines do not appear to use the BMW valvetronic (variable valve timing used instead of a throttle), since there is a perception that it is not needed with a turbocharged vehicle, but are double Vanos systems (variable valve timing,  abbr. from German variable Nockenwellensteuerung, or variable camshaft control).

BMW S63 Engine

BMW fansites were predicting 585-600 hp for the S63 in the M5, so 552 hp is a bit of a surprise.

A blown 4.4L V8 seems familiar — ah yes, that’s what I have in my 2008 Cadillac STS-V!  Of course, mine is supercharged and not a turbo model as in the BMW, and makes only 469hp instead of 552 hp.  The Cadillac uses 12 psi of boost, while the BMW pushes that dial up to 22 psi of boost.  At around 4 % improvement per PSI, a LC3 running 17 psi would make similar numbers, but would run out of the boost range for the custom Eaton M122 supercharger in the Cadillac V8.  (The Stiegemeier snake bite kit does hit 17 psi however…)

[Updated] The BMW N63 makes similar boost pressure to the Cadillac LC3, at 11.6 psi but with a 10:1 compression ratio for the BMW.  The N63 was rated at 400 hp vs the 469 for the 12 psi Cadillac.  Both the N63 and S63 are direct injected engines.  The S63 uses twin-scroll turbos, cross-flow turbo plumbing, lower compression at 9.3:1, and higher boost to build to 552 hp.

The BMW SUVs have launch control, so hopefully the M5 will benefit from this as well.

A bit surprising that BMW stopped short of exceeding the Cadillac CTS-V’s 556 hp.  A shame really, as I would love to see Cadillac turn up the wick on the LSA 6.2L Supercharged V8 in the CTS-V a bit further to 600+ hp.

More on HP: Confusingly the BMW engines are still rated in PS (German: Pferdestärke = horse strength), which is a DIN standard mathematically different from British hp used in the USA.  PS has been replaced by the kilowatt, but is still used.  The 2010 BMW X5M made 414 kW, or 554 hp.  F10.5post.com is quoting the new M5 at 560PS which converts to 552 hp, but is actually less than the 563 PS in the 2010 X5 M.  Autoblog and Jalopnik are quoting the X5M at 547hp, but that was the 09 model.  I’m sure this will get sorted, hashed, and be more clear presently.

CTS-V STS-V V-Series Vanity Plates

The first rule of vanity license plates is that they are individual.  The whole point is you get to pick / specify what you want on your license plates, within a range, so that you can personalize it for your car, personality, lifestyle, etc.  So you can’t do it wrong, if you pick one you like.

A number of Cadillac V-Series — CTS-V, STS-V vanity plates tend to focus on the resemblence of the CTS-V to a 4-door Corvette, the LS2, LS6, or LSA engines in the CTS-V, or to things that rhyme with “Cad”, short for Cadillac.  Thus one might find:

  • BADCAD
  • 4DRVET
  • 4DRZR1
  • 556HP
  • LS6CAD
  • FSTCADY

All these work great, and fit the Cadillac.

When asked, I would point out that the V series are all obviously recognized as Cadillacs, so the tags need not emphasize this point.

The V-Series V stands for Velocity.  Velocity comes from the latin velocitas, swiftness, speed.  I would suggest vanity plates that play on the V:

  • VSWIFT (for very swift)
  • VRMMM
  • VQUICK
  • VFAST
  • ENVY
  • VROOM
  • VRACER

What would your favorite creative Cadillac V-Series Vanity plate say?