Cadillac STS-V intercooler pump bucket test

UPDATE:  Re-ran the test with a change in the test setup, yielding closer to the expected results.  See Below.

I hate surprising test results.

I was expecting to see around 3-4 PSID system head, and the Bosch OEM intercooler pump doing 5-6 gpm.

Cadillac, in bucket, out bucket, extra coolant

This morning I ran a bucket test on my Cadillac STS-V. A bucket test is a simple way to measure gallons per minute of flow in an operating system. To do the test, measure how much fluid comes out of the system over what period of time. Record the result in gallons per minute.

First I calibrated my bucket. I used a “TO” bucket that was shaped like a cylinder, with no slope to the sides. That simplifies measurement. I took a large 1/2 gal kitchen measuring cup and put 1/2 gallon of water in “TO” my bucket. Then I measured how many inches of depth were in the bucket. My bucket measured 1&1/4″ per 1/2 gallon. I added another 1/2 gallon and noted that the bucket was at 2.5″; good.

Next, I put the STS-V up on jackstands, and removed the undertray. I disconnected the hose from the hard pipe out at the bottom of the V coming out of the intercooler, and put a “out” hose there leading to my “TO” bucket. I put the hose that had been connected there in my “FROM” bucket. I added coolant to my “From” bucket, and ran the test.

The pump in the test is the Bosch OEM intercooler pump. It is pumping through the intercooler, and pulling from both heat exchangers so that the flow should exactly model what the pump sees in operation.

What I measured was a meager 1 & 1/2″ of flow per 60 seconds. Since 5/4″ was 1/2 gallon, 6/4″ is 20% more or 0.6 gallons per minute (GPM). That means that the current pressure head in the system as tested is nearly 7 PSID. The Bosch pump can only pump against a max of 7.3 psi.

I plan to test with a Jabsco pump next. The Jabsco pump is rated up to 8 PSID, and at 7 PSID might be able to push 4 or 5 gpm.

What would you change in the test setup? Hit the comments!

Did my test setup effect the outcome? If the “FROM” bucket was elevated to the same level as the intercooler at the top of the engine, would that be more fair? Or does the down force from the intercooler height to the bucket get ‘counted’ in the flow out the “TO” hose already and so is not ‘lost’?

Next:

  • Re-run the bucket test
  • Check all hoses for crimping
  • Raise the “FROM” bucket to intercooler level
  • Test with the engine on, not just battery/pump on with engine off as before — full voltage

Update — Raise the Bucket:

Re-ran the test with the from bucket at intercooler height. New pump flow 3.5 gpm, much closer to expected.  40″ of water height is a static 1.4 psi into the system that is there in operation but missing from my initial result.

For this test I put the “FROM” bucket at 42″ height, or the intercooler height in the car.  I did that because the hoses and pipes leading to where I put the “FROM” bucket are the downhill flow from the intercooler.   I pushed water through the FROM line to prime the line and ensure that I got gravity siphon flow through the line and into the car.   With the bucket and line in place the system actually flowed 1.2 gpm with NO pump running.  So the height of the bucket makes a difference — each foot of height of water gives 0.42 psi, so 3.3 feet equates to 1.4 psi or so.  My original test had the FROM bucket on the ground, so inadvertently took away this 1.4 psi of system pressure.

FROM bucket at intercooler height, TO bucket at ground level

I ran the engine at idle when I was testing the pump.  With the pump on in the retest the system did a steady 3.5 gpm flow.

This suggests that at 3.5 gpm the system pressure head is around 6 psi assuming the OEM bosch intercooler pump is operating to spec.

It also ties with the first test result given the setup difference.

The test perhaps also points to the system psid curve versus flow — 1.4 psi at 1.2 gpm flow, and 6 psi at 3.5 gpm flow.  We expect psid to go up as a function of nearly the square of the change in flow, so this also seems appropriate.

Pump rated flow vs head pressure and system pressure curve

Now, my system resistance of 6 psid may still be higher than it should be; I am looking at the fittings to see if they can be improved further.
If the system numbers are correct than the system flow resistance would be shown by the green line on the chart above.  The Y axis shows pressure head.  The X axis is in gallons per minute of flow.  The blue line is the Bosch OEM pump spec.  The red line is the Jabsco pump spec.  Where the system flow line crosses the pump lines are where we would expect that pump to operate in gpm and PSID in this system.  So in other words, if the Bosch pump is doing 3.5 gpm against 6 psid, and the system characteristic curve is correct, then the Jabsco pump will do 4.3 gpm which will raise the system pressure head to 7.7 psid.

Insulating intercooler piping

The intercooler plumbing on the Cadillac STS-V heads into the intercooler itself through a pair of pipes above the snout of the supercharger.  These pipes are exposed to the heat of the engine compartment, and are not insulated in any way.  For example, when I went out to verify their size to shop for some insulated sleeves, they were too hot to touch and I feared that my tape measure would melt before I got them sized.  That can’t be helpful for keeping the coolant inside these pipes cold.

Cadillac STS-V Intercooler in/out piping above Spectre intake

One of my next minor projects will be to either add some insulated sheathing to these pipes, or to wrap them with insulated wrap. Yes, the intercooler coolant only rushes through those in and out of the intercooler, but one fewer heat source would be great.

STS-V LC3 Intercooler Flow path & Parts

Update:

Here is the initial insulated piping shot.  I like the look of the sheathing but I need to get it squeezed in to cover the pipe better.

Intercooler HX Testing: Changes in Ambient Temp vs IAT2

In a water to air heat exchanger cooling system as used on the Cadillac STS-V and CTS-V, ambient air coming into the front of the Cadillac is used to cool the intercooler coolant.  The coolant is then pumped through the actual intercooler to cool the air charge entering the manifold.  Intuitively we expect changes in ambient air to change the equilibrium point of the intercooler cooling system.  This is because the colder the ambient air over the heat exchanger, the better the heat exchanger works and so the lower the expected intercooler temps will be.  Today’s test explores to what degree ambient temp changes impact IAT2s.

The test today and the prior data shown are both for the current intercooler setup:  Updated intercooler hoses, retest hot S3TC heat exchanger

OEM Heat Exchanger + S3TC additional heat exchanger and hoses.  Fluid capacity ~4.6 quarts.

I experimented with the Mityvac system and repulled a vacuum on the intercooler coolant, pulling coolant along with the vacuum, and refilled it.  But the hardware is unchanged.  The test is a 20 minute loop at highway speeds, with one or more acceleration runs along the way to demonstrate intercooler heat up and cool down times.  These show as spikes on the graph.

 

The graph shows IAT2 temps, which is the incoming air temperature after the supercharger, on a prior test day that averaged 69F ambient temp, and today with 84F ambient temp, or 15F higher.  There are 4 lines on this graph.  The dark blue is IAT2 today, and the light blue is IAT1, or air coming into the engine intake, today.  Dark red is IAT2 on the cooler day, and salmon (pink) is IAT1 on the cooler day.

What the comparison appears to show is that when ambient temps are 15.3F warmer (avg 84.8F vs 69.5F), air coming into the engine (IAT1) is 15F warmer (avg 94.2F vs 79.2F), and air out of the intercooler is 11.2F warmer (avg 124.7F vs 113.5F).  Knowing that ambient temps flow into the intake as IAT1 and on through the supercharger to become IAT2, we might have predicted that a 15F ambient delta would resolve to a 11.2F IAT2 delta.  However, that’s why we test, to find out what happens.  In general an increase of 1F ambient leads to 1F IAT2 leads to 0.8F IAT2.

I also note that IAT1 averages 10F above ambient, and IAT2 tends to be 30-32F above IAT1

Same trend for this dataset of about 3 sec after acceleration starts to IAT2 begins to rise.

Let’s think about that for a bit —

Item Qty Units
Pipe ID 0.75 pipe diameter in inches
System loop: 4.00 OEM HX To S3TC
4.00 S3TC to OEM hookup
2.00 width of OEM HX
2.17 Width of S3TC HX
0.67 hose to factory pipe
2.50 Factory Piping
2.50 Factory Piping
Total System Loop: 17.83 Feet long
Obs Circuit 3.20 sec
Result Velocity 5.6 feet/second
GPM 7.7 gpm

That if the coolant is doing a 3.2 sec loop through the system, and the system is ~18 feet long, then the fluid must be moving at 5.6 feet/second, and that the pump must be putting out 7.7 gpm.  The pump is rated at 8 gpm against no pressure, so that seems hard to believe. Intercooler cooling system pressure & flow