Is the Gen 4 V8 smooth enough for a Cadillac?

I see people asking this question — if Cadillac does not have the Northstar available (production has stopped), and the Ultra V8 design is still on the shelf, could they use a Generation 4 V8 in a Cadillac?

Let’s think about this for a minute.

  • 2004-2005 Cadillac CTS-V used the LS6 V8
  • 2006-2007 Cadillac CTS-V used the LS2 V8
  • The Cadillac Escalade has offered a series of continually developing V8s peaking with the excellent current variant, the Gen 4 L94 6.2L V8.
  • 2009+ Cadillac CTS-V uses a Gen 4 LSA Supercharged V8.

Is the LS Family of V8 engines smooth enough to be in a Cadillac?  Is that even a question?

I have driven the current Escalade and the current CTS-V and they are both great Cadillacs.  There is NOTHING wrong with a strong Gen 4 V8 in a Cadillac.

I would love to have a Cadillac CTS Premium Sedan with the LS3 V8 engine, or the L94 V8 engine.  Bring it.  A 400-430 hp engine would be a terrific fit between the 3.6L at 304 hp and the CTS-V at 556 hp.  I suspect it costs quite a bit less than the 3.6L to produce as well, and would give mid-level fuel economy between the two engines.

Is the Gen 4 V8 appropriate for a luxury Cadillac?  Yes please.  Also the Gen 5 once it arrives thank you very much.

2011 Cadillac CTS Summer Tires vs New All-Season Performance Tires

One of the highlighted New Features for the 2011 Cadillac CTS Sedan is

  • (FE5) 19″ All-Season Tire Package
  • (Q2B) P245/45R19 all season blackwall tires. Included and only available in (FE5) 19″ All-Season Tire Package.

Let’s look at exactly what that entails.  It is intriguing that RPO code FE5 was selected, since this would suggest even higher performance.

FE5 NEW! 19″ (48.3 cm) All-Season Tire Package
1 – Requires (Y42) 18″ All-Season Tire Performance Package. Includes (KB7) steering wheel mounted Paddle Shift controls. (Q2B) P245/45R19 all-season blackwall tires replace (QKE) P235/50R18 V-rated all-season blackwall tires. (PJ2) 19″ x 8.5″ polished wheels replace either (P75) 18″ x 8″ aluminum wheels with premium multi-coat painted finish or (P63) 18″ x 8″ aluminum wheels with high-polished finish. Not available with (Y43) 19″ Summer Tire Performance Package, (MN6) 6-speed manual transmission, (W2E) Recaro performance seats or (SE4) LPO, 18″ chrome wheels.

So it is an option that pushes the 3.6L DI CTS to 19″ all weather tires, and 245/45 versus 235/50 stock tires.

Y43 Performance Package, 19″ (48.3 cm) Summer Tire, includes (T4F) HID headlamps, (KB7) steering wheel mounted paddle shift controls (MX0 6-speed automatic transmission only), (T3U) fog lamps, (PJ2) 19″ x 8.5″ polished wheels, (Q0M) P245/45ZR19 Y-rated performance summer tires, (V03) performance cooling system (MX0 6-speed automatic transmission RWD only), (FE3) sport performance suspension, (G80) limited slip differential and (J55) performance brakes
1 – Model 6DP69 only. Not available with (Y42) 18″ All-Season Tire Performance Package or (FE5) 19″ All-Season Tire Package (Model 6DP69 or 6DH69).

The Summer Tire package has 245/45 tires also, but includes other performance bits as well.  So the FE5 gives the cornering advantage of the 19″ wheels and all-weather benefit of all-season tires at the expense of the ultimate performance of the Performance Package Summer Setup.  In other words, the FE5 option is a good approach to performance if you want more sport but know you will be driving in weather.

Sighting the sweet spot in used car pricing

Generally, cars depreciate.  Once you drive your new car off the new car lot, it becomes less desirable for me to buy from you versus buying the same car from the Dealer.    Another way to think of it is that your car’s resale value goes from the retail price you paid for it to the wholesale price you could resell it for.

After a few years, a car’s depreciation starts to level out.  My current 2005 Cadillac is depreciating at around $1.5K per year.  At some point depreciation basically stops, and occasionally a vehicle starts to appreciate in value.  For the most part however in most cases cars lose a lot of value in the first year or two, then lesser amounts until you are ready to sell/trade/move on to your next vehicle.

I’m setting my sights on grabbing up a 2008 Cadillac STS-V, or a 2010 Cadillac CTS Premium Model.  Honorable mention to a 2009 Cadillac CTS Premium Collection, but there is a minor detail that drives me to prefer the 2010 because of the way that the keyless ignition is implemented (button vs switch).

Edmund’s offers a true cost to own analysis.  What they suggest is that a 2010 Cadillac Premium has an initial cost (with no other options) of $46K.  In the first year of ownership it will depreciate around $10K.  Now, no one is going to post their 1 year old car for sale at a $10K decrease, but that would be our target for grabbing up a 1 year old 2010 CTS Premium.

2010 Cadillac CTS Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 5-yr Total
Depreciation $10,425 $4,887 $4,301 $3,814 $3,423 $26,850

and, to get to closer to $30K as a target, we would need to wait and get a 2-year old 2010 CTS Premium in 2011.

Now, considering the 2008 Cadillac STS-V is a little more tricky, as it can only be evaluated by Edmunds as a used car, so we only see the further down the slope values.  Edmunds estimates that the STS-V is currently worth around $40K.  It originally sold for $78K+. Some examples are creeping into the low 30s but some are in the 50s still, so keep in mind that their estimate is an average. I changed the year #s to tie out with the way that they are evaluating:

2008 Cadillac STS-V Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 Year 6 Year 7 Total
Depreciation $4,826 $4,232 $3,723 $3,302 $2,962 $19,045

So the 2008 STS-V is depreciating at around $4-5K per year.  So if there are 2008 STS-V’s available now for $35K then next year they might be in the $30K range.

Conclusion:  In another 6-12 months one could expect to grab up a 2009 CTS Premium Collection or 2008 STS-V in the high 20s / low 30s if you hunt for the lower edge of the market / find a bargain.  Wait a year and the 2010 Cadillac CTS Premium Model might slide into the right range.