{"id":16268,"date":"2013-04-22T20:27:53","date_gmt":"2013-04-23T01:27:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/?p=16268"},"modified":"2013-04-22T21:13:46","modified_gmt":"2013-04-23T02:13:46","slug":"comparing-the-cadillac-ats-2l-turbo-torque-to-the-3-6l-v6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/comparing-the-cadillac-ats-2l-turbo-torque-to-the-3-6l-v6\/","title":{"rendered":"Comparing the Cadillac ATS 2L Turbo Torque to the 3.6L V6"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>During our recent <a title=\"CaddyInfo Cadillac Chat\" href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/podcast-caddyinfo-cadillac-chat-2013-04-18\/\">Cadillac Chat<\/a> we debated which engine brings the most torque &#8212; the highly boosted 2L Turbo 4, or the 3.6L V6?<\/p>\n<p>Here are the engine dyno curves, both for the Cadillac ATS:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/engine_LTG_ATS.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16269\" alt=\"2013_2.0L_(LTG)_CAD_ATS copy\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/engine_LTG_ATS.jpg\" width=\"468\" height=\"435\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/engine_LTG_ATS.jpg 468w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/engine_LTG_ATS-322x300.jpg 322w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 468px) 100vw, 468px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This first graph is for the LTG, the 2L Turbo 4.\u00a0 It hits a &#8216;shelf&#8217; of 260 lb ft of torque at 1700 rpm and holds that level until over 5500 rpm.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/LFX_ATS_LG.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-16270\" alt=\"13R_LFX_3.6L_ATS_081312 copy\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/LFX_ATS_LG.jpg\" width=\"584\" height=\"713\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/LFX_ATS_LG.jpg 800w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/LFX_ATS_LG-500x610.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/LFX_ATS_LG-245x300.jpg 245w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 100vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The 3.6L VVT DI normally aspirated engine hits a\u00a0 higher max torque at 4800 RPM of 275 lb ft.\u00a0 It appears to slope up from around 240 lb ft to 275 lb feet and back to near 240 lb ft at redline.<\/p>\n<p>After 5500 rpm the 3.6L heads on to peak HP while the Turbo is out of breath, so the V6 clearly has the &#8216;nod&#8217; at redline.\u00a0 My impression comparing the two charts by sight is that the 3.6L stays ahead all the way through the rpm band &#8212; what do you think?<\/p>\n<p>Here is a layered comparison &#8212; the graphs are difficult to compare because they do not have constant x and y axes.\u00a0 I used GIMP to stretch one to align with the other in order to give an apples to apples comparison:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_16281\" style=\"width: 810px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-16281\" class=\"size-full wp-image-16281\" alt=\"Layered comparison with both engine dyno graphs on the same scale\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison.jpg\" width=\"800\" height=\"977\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison.jpg 800w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-500x610.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-245x300.jpg 245w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-16281\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Layered comparison with both engine dyno graphs on the same scale<\/p><\/div>\n<p>This makes it harder to read the scales, but what it suggests is that below around 3500 rpm the LTG 2L Turbo makes more torque; after that the 3.6L normally aspirated LFX makes more torque.\u00a0 With an automatic transmission and torque converter, the LFX likely stays above 3500 rpm at open throttle regardless.\u00a0 With variable valve timing, the 3.6L manages a heroic torque curve down low and good power up high.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/46_tc.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16283\" alt=\"46_tc\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/46_tc.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"460\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/46_tc.jpg 400w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/46_tc-260x300.jpg 260w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Finally, as a nod to the V8 fans, here is a comparison between the two Northstar FWD variants, overlayed together, against the 3.6L RWD VVT V6.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-3pt6-4pt6.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16284\" alt=\"layeredcomparison 3pt6 4pt6\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-3pt6-4pt6.png\" width=\"775\" height=\"946\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-3pt6-4pt6.png 775w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-3pt6-4pt6-500x610.png 500w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/layeredcomparison-3pt6-4pt6-245x300.png 245w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 775px) 100vw, 775px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>What this shows is a) this is a messy way to discuss and b) the 4.6L Northstar in either variant pulls more torque, earlier, and holds an advantage until past 6K RPM when the smaller 3.6L V6 finally wins only at peak hp.<\/p>\n<p>As a note, the Northstar graphs were not done to the same J1349 standard, which can effect the graphs slightly.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>During our recent Cadillac Chat we debated which engine brings the most torque &#8212; the highly boosted 2L Turbo 4, or the 3.6L V6? Here are the engine dyno curves, both for the Cadillac ATS: This first graph is for &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/comparing-the-cadillac-ats-2l-turbo-torque-to-the-3-6l-v6\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[310,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16268","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cadillac-engines","category-site-info-news"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16268","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16268"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16268\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16286,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16268\/revisions\/16286"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16268"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=16268"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=16268"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}