{"id":10487,"date":"2011-07-08T17:48:30","date_gmt":"2011-07-08T22:48:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/?p=10487"},"modified":"2011-07-11T14:40:41","modified_gmt":"2011-07-11T19:40:41","slug":"gonna-pump-you-up-intercooler-pumps-in-series-to-maximize-cooling-motorama","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/gonna-pump-you-up-intercooler-pumps-in-series-to-maximize-cooling-motorama\/","title":{"rendered":"Gonna pump YOU up &#8211; Intercooler Pumps in Series to Maximize Cooling #Motorama"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Update:<\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Although the info shown is relevant for 4 Laminova cores in series, the Cadillac design does not have 4 in series but rather has A-B in parallel and C-D in parallel flow.\u00a0 I caused some confusion in the way I asked my question of Laminova as it turns out.\u00a0 I am leaving this for consideration, but the pressure head through 2 Laminova cores instead of through 4 cores would be different.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In my analysis of pump flow rates versus the intercooler pressure head it became clear that at higher flow rates the stock pump has restricted flow.\u00a0 In fact, instead of flowing 8 gallons per minute (gpm) it is probably flowing under 4 gpm.\u00a0 We could find a new source for a intercooler coolant pump that can flow 9 gpm against a 1.4 bar resistance; that would be ideal.\u00a0 However, there is a way to work with the parts we have to overcome this hurdle.<\/p>\n<p>Note that I don&#8217;t have a sophisticated model of the overall flow resistance, but that my conjecture is that the flow across the heat exchanger is around a 1 psi resistance, and that system resistance for the hoses etc is 0.4 psi.\u00a0 In my modeling a second front mounted heat exchanger is shown as another 1 psi of resistance.<\/p>\n<p>The stock intercooler coolant pump is a centrifugal pump.\u00a0 When two or more centrifugal pumps are placed in series, the resulting pump performance is obtained by adding their heads at a constant flow rate.\u00a0 [Ref: <a title=\"The Engineering Toolbox\" href=\"http:\/\/www.engineeringtoolbox.com\/pumps-parallel-serial-d_636.html\" target=\"_blank\">Engineering Toolbox<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/docs.engineeringtoolbox.com\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" title=\"Engineering Toolbox: pumps in series\" src=\"http:\/\/docs.engineeringtoolbox.com\/documents\/636\/pump_serie.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"426\" height=\"216\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>For our previous graphing this basically means if you put two pumps in series you &#8216;stack&#8217; the two pumps&#8217; flow versus pressure diagram on top of each other.<\/p>\n<p>Using this insight, one way to overcome the pressure head presented by our intercooler system with the parts we know is to put 2 of the stock Bosch pumps in series in the flow.\u00a0 If that works well, how would 2 of the Jabsco Cyclone 50840-12 pumps work?\u00a0 Hmm, what if we put THREE Bosch pumps in series?\u00a0 What about the Cyclones?<\/p>\n<p>Good questions.\u00a0 I wondered this also, so I continued with our previous graphs &amp; calcs to do the analysis:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_10488\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/multipleintercoolerpumps.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10488\" class=\"size-large wp-image-10488\" title=\"multipleintercoolerpumps\" src=\"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/multipleintercoolerpumps-1024x684.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"684\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/multipleintercoolerpumps-1024x684.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/multipleintercoolerpumps-500x334.png 500w, http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/multipleintercoolerpumps.png 1176w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-10488\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Multiple Intercooler Pumps in Series vs Intercooler Flow<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Lots of complication, but let&#8217;s look at it.\u00a0 First, the light green line bottom left is the stock intercooler pump flow.\u00a0 Bottom left orange line is one cyclone pump.<\/p>\n<p>See the light blue line that flows down from 1 bar and matches and doubles the green line flow line from one pump?\u00a0 That is the line for 2 stock intercooler pumps in series.\u00a0 The darker green line that runs down from 1.2 bar is for two Cyclone pumps in series.<\/p>\n<p>What about 3 pumps?\u00a0 The purple line running down from 1.5 bar is 3 stock pumps in series.\u00a0 The yellow-green line running down from 1.8 bar is for 3 cyclone pumps in series.<\/p>\n<p>What does all this mean?\u00a0 Here&#8217;s some tabular data:<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" frame=\"VOID\" rules=\"NONE\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<colgroup>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/>\n<col width=\"86\" \/><\/colgroup>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" width=\"86\" height=\"17\"><\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\">Liters\/Min<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\"><\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\">Gallons\/Min<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\"><\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\">Heat Xfer<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" width=\"86\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Pump<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">Core Only<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">System<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">Core only<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">System<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">KW<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">Delta<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Bosch<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">13<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">4.2<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">3.4<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">16.5<\/td>\n<td align=\"LEFT\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Cyclone<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">5.2<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">4.7<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">18.0<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">9.1%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Bosch x2S<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">5.5<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">5.2<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" bgcolor=\"#23FF23\">19.0<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" bgcolor=\"#23FF23\">15.2%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Cyclone x2S<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">29<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">27<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">7.6<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">7.1<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" bgcolor=\"#23FF23\">20.5<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\" bgcolor=\"#23FF23\">24.2%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Bosch x3S<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">24.5<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">23<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">6.4<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">6.0<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">20.0<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">21.2%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"LEFT\" height=\"17\">Cyclone x3S<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">35<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">34<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">9.2<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">8.9<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">21.5<\/td>\n<td align=\"RIGHT\">30.3%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This tells us that the flow rate through the system with 1 stock pump of 3.4 gpm goes up to 5.2 gpm if you add another pump, or 6.0 gpm with 3.<\/p>\n<p>The system flow rate of a Cyclone goes from 4.7 gpm alone to 7.1 gpm with 2 or 8.9 gpm with 3.<\/p>\n<p>Is more flow always better?\u00a0 Well, yes, up to a point.\u00a0 On the flow diagram I have summarized the heat transfer for each combination with the circles with letters in them.\u00a0 1B= one Bosch, 1C= one Cyclone, 2B= two Bosch, 2C=two Cyclone, 3B=3 Bosch, 3C= 3 Cyclone pumps in series on the line at the top of the flow diagram.\u00a0 That line they are all on is the heat transfer graph for the Laminova cores; it uses the right axis for its values, which are in kilowatts of heat transfer.\u00a0 In the table I have read off the approximate values from the graph.<\/p>\n<p>What we see is that 2 Bosch (2B) pumps give us a 15% improvement in heat transfer, and 2 Cyclone pumps (2C) give a 24% improvement.\u00a0 Going to 3 pumps does improve it further but to a reduced degree.\u00a0 Adding 1 Bosch pump to the stock pump adds 15%; adding a 3rd only adds 6% more.\u00a0 Replacing the stock pump with 2 Cyclone pumps adds 24%; adding a 3rd Cyclone pump only adds 6% more.<\/p>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>My conclusion is that an optimal mix of expense versus reliability and complexity is to add a 2nd Bosch or replace the stock pump with 2 Cyclone pumps in series.\u00a0 That should give us the best bang for the buck improvement in flow and heat transfer relative to expense.<\/p>\n<h2>Issue<\/h2>\n<p>What is the safe pressure for the intercooler cooling system on the STS-V?\u00a0\u00a0 What PSI is the relief\/overflow cap set for?\u00a0 If it is set\u00a0 for 5 psi (0.3 bar) can the system function above that?\u00a0 <em><strong>Response<\/strong><\/em>:\u00a0 Because of the pressure drop across the Laminova cores at high flow rates there is a high pressure side of the system from the pump to the cores, and a low pressure side from the Laminova cores through the heat exchanger and the refill\/pressure relief back to the pump.\u00a0 The 5 psi relief won&#8217;t trigger unless the pressure in the system at THAT point is above 5 psi.<\/p>\n<h2>Plans<\/h2>\n<p>I like the additional front mounted intercooler idea. It seems a good way to add system coolant capacity and some additional cooling.\u00a0 Additional coolant capacity acts as a delaying function for changes in coolant temperature.\u00a0 Each of the Jabsco Cyclone pumps runs around $210; so 2 for $420.\u00a0 The front-mounted heat exchanger (FMHE) for under the bumper I have in mind\u00a0 is $179. It would take 5 hours of labor or so to remove and replace the front clip to install ($400).\u00a0 So for a total budget of $1,200 or so the overall intercooler cooling system could be 24% more effective.\u00a0 If you do the work yourself parts alone would be $600.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Update: Although the info shown is relevant for 4 Laminova cores in series, the Cadillac design does not have 4 in series but rather has A-B in parallel and C-D in parallel flow.\u00a0 I caused some confusion in the way &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/gonna-pump-you-up-intercooler-pumps-in-series-to-maximize-cooling-motorama\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17,6,523],"tags":[535,541,738,740,741,873,737,745,739,719],"class_list":["post-10487","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mods","category-site-info-news","category-sts-v-cadillac-models","tag-bosch","tag-cadillac-sts-v","tag-cyclone","tag-engineering-toolbox","tag-flow-diagrams","tag-intercooler","tag-intercooler-pump","tag-intercooler-pumps-in-serial","tag-jabsco","tag-laminova"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10487","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10487"}],"version-history":[{"count":36,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10487\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10555,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10487\/revisions\/10555"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10487"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10487"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10487"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}