{"id":10393,"date":"2011-07-06T07:38:27","date_gmt":"2011-07-06T12:38:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/?p=10393"},"modified":"2011-07-06T07:38:27","modified_gmt":"2011-07-06T12:38:27","slug":"pids-fmhes-fans-and-intercooler-pump-flow-rates","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.caddyinfo.com\/wordpress\/pids-fmhes-fans-and-intercooler-pump-flow-rates\/","title":{"rendered":"PIDs, FMHEs, Fans, and Intercooler Pump Flow Rates"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have a variety of topics today, but maybe they will all come together in the end.\u00a0 If not, at least they will help me progress my thinking.<\/p>\n<h2>PIDS<\/h2>\n<p>The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) established a number of standard parameter identifiers (PIDs) so that as on-board diagnostics matured (OBDII) there would be\u00a0 standard way to interface with an automobile and determine current status, parameters, etc.\u00a0 Unfortunately, today the majority of PIDs in use by manufacturers are non-standard PIDs.\u00a0 Further, instead of publishing the list of non-standard PIDs in use, the manufacturers sell their list to diagnostic equipment manufacturers.\u00a0 That leaves small businesses out of the picture since they can&#8217;t afford to purchase the rights to the annual PID lists from multiple manufacturers.<\/p>\n<p>I have been using the Harrison R&amp;D CanScan interface and software to datalog the STS-V.\u00a0 I need to monitor the intake air temperature sensor after the intercooler, IAT2, which unfortunately is a non-standard PID, and the software doesn&#8217;t have the hexidecimal code for that one.\u00a0 HPTuners has done a lot of GM work with their scanning and tuning solutions.\u00a0 I ordered a HPTuners VCM Scanner setup to use for datalogging.\u00a0 It can be upgraded later to the full tuning suite if needed.<\/p>\n<p>Once I can monitor the IAT2 temps then I can get more detailed logs of how my stock intercooler cooling system performs before considering any changes.<\/p>\n<h2>FMHE<\/h2>\n<p>Front mounted heat exchangers:\u00a0 the popular under-bumper heat exchanger is a 26&#8243; wide x 7&#8243; tall x 3.5&#8243; deep water to air heat exchanger that fits under the nose of the STS-V.\u00a0 Scanning google it is also a popular add to other supercharged cars.\u00a0 First, it retails for $179 which makes it affordable.\u00a0 Second, it fits in a variety of applications.\u00a0 Here is a link to the one at frozonboost.com:<\/p>\n<p>FrozenBoost.com FMHE <a href=\"http:\/\/www.siliconeintakes.com\/\/images\/product\/radiator_26x7x3.5_picture.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" title=\"Frozenboost.com FMHE Front Mounted Heat Exchanger 26x7x3.5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.siliconeintakes.com\/\/images\/product\/radiator_26x7x3.5_picture.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Very little data on how efficient it is, but I have read a number of happy reports with good results.\u00a0 Also, this one has been used in some current STS-V installations with good results.<\/p>\n<h2>Fans<\/h2>\n<p>One of my favorite FMHE solutions is the one at <a title=\"Dual Puller Fan from RevanRacing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.revanracing.com\/products\/2007%252d2011-Shelby-GT500-Dual-Pass-%7B47%7D-Dual-Puller-Fan-Air-To-Water-Heat-Exchanger-Kits.html\" target=\"_blank\">revanracing.com<\/a>, which has dual puller fans behind a heat exchanger.\u00a0 It is 26x12x4.5 (29&#8243; wide with side mounts). Unfortunately although the width looks good the height is a bit tall for the STS-V nose where only 8&#8243; is available.\u00a0 I would like to add 2 puller fans to the 7&#8243; tall FMHE but I am not sure there is room yet.\u00a0 More study needed.<\/p>\n<h2>Pump Flow Rates<\/h2>\n<p>Another topic for discussion in intercooler cooling modifications is the flow rate for the intercooler pump.\u00a0 The stock bosch-sourced intercooler pump on the STS-V is a centrifugal unit and flows 8 gallons per minute (gpm) or similar.\u00a0 Some replacements claim flow rates of up to 30 gpm, which apparently can move the fluid through the core too fast to effectively remove heat.\u00a0\u00a0 This is something that would need more inputs for study &#8212; like temperature sensors at the in\/out of the laminova intercooler system, and in\/out of the heat exchanger and tests with datalogs in a variety of conditions.\u00a0 I think for now I will leave this topic for later, and let others experiment in this area.\u00a0 One of the features however of the 7&#8243; FMHE is it has an easy place to put a temperature sensor.<\/p>\n<p>On a separate note, at steady state driving the temperature change across a radiator is often only 10F.\u00a0\u00a0 The issue is how well the FMHE handles temperature transits such as wide open throttle induced sudden supercharger heat.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary<\/h2>\n<p>I am having a great time analyzing \/ studying the various engineering issues around intercooler cooling, and the body of work that people have done to test and install improved cooling solutions on their vehicles.\u00a0 I think the important thing is to review it all, then setup an appropriate experiment and test, test, test.\u00a0 That way we will have persuasive data on what works and what just costs money.\u00a0 It is not lost on me that all of the changes people are making may make very little difference in the real world.\u00a0 So my plan in general is consider, research, design an experiment, test the stock setup, select a mod, mod, test the mod.\u00a0 Hopefully that will yield persuasive data, and along the way make for interesting articles here on the blog.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have a variety of topics today, but maybe they will all come together in the end.\u00a0 If not, at least they will help me progress my thinking. 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